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Daewoo Chassis Cn-001g Microphone Failure

yoelsi
yoelsi
415
hace 5 años
hace 5 años
Hi everyone, I would like to be guided a bit, I get a TV Daewoo model DTQ-20V1ss chassis cn-001g, the problem is the following: the voltage of + B is variable from 133V, it goes down to 65V and it goes back up and so both the other voltages also go down there is a moment when the voltage of + b reaches 133v per moment the other voltages appear and turn on and off the stamp, now I tell you what I did thinking as I normally check the opto .. the ka431l bone changes them and nothing check the r878 of 100k ok and the r879 of 15k ok check all the components close to the ka431 and nothing change the 100uf x 160v filters and nothing disconnect the flaybak and nothing, change the str regulator and the source filters and nothing , now disconnect the r815 resistor that connects the + b with the filters and the "eye" voltages appeared when I say the voltages are 45, 18, and 13, but the voltage of the + b remains stable but at 65v, which I did later I started to unlink the source point by point and it turns out that at d To link the power supply to the q807, all the voltages appeared and were stable, this transistor is in charge of supplying the microphone with 8 volts if I am not mistaken. it turns out that the transistor is good diode and resists ok now seeing the diagram it is fed with 18v by the collector and supplies the voltage of 8v by the emitter, connect everything that was disconnected and only disconnect the emitter of that transistor the q807 and it turns out that all voltages are correct on + b at 133v, los45v, 18, and 13v are perfect and even on the emitter pin they are present 8.7 volts check the transistor line this reaches pin 42 of the micro i101 and did not find any component damaged in that line when disconnecting pin 42 of the ic and pasting the pin of the emitter of the transistor the voltage was well and stable until 8.7 v but when connecting pin 42 of the micro all voltages fall off and the fault begins, Now my question is, is there a way to know if the micro is short by performing other tests or simply with the tests I perform I can deduce that my fault is the micro I thank you for the help you can give me
ELECTRÓNICA FCJ VENEZUELA
hace 5 años

You did not try disconnecting the yoke, this chassis fails the yoke and lowers the voltage of + B and turns off the TV.

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ELECTRÓNICA FCJ VENEZUELA
hace 5 años

Measure pin 42 of the micro with gnd and see what value in ohms does it give you?

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yoelsi
yoelsi
415
hace 5 años

thank you for answering good buddy the yoke has no problem and with respect to pin 42 of the micro mido in ohms and I don't have any kind of reading

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ELECTRÓNICA FCJ VENEZUELA
hace 5 años

Well friend if all these tests are done, everything is correct, for me if the problem is the one I101 chip, since without those 8 volts they do not reach pin 42 the ic does not start working.

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yoelsi
yoelsi
415
hace 5 años

It is correct colleague and even the 8v are present in the transistor but when connecting pin 42 of I101 this grave all voltages

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ELECTRÓNICA FCJ VENEZUELA
hace 5 años

And if you connect pin 42 and disconnect pin 32, does the voltage drop? Try that test to see what happens?

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yoelsi
yoelsi
415
hace 5 años

Hello friends sorry for the delay in responding I had a personal problem and could not work, I commented that I only performed the test that the electronic colleague told me to connect everything and disconnect pin 32 of I101 and all this is correct voltages are fine and even on pin 42 there are 8v and on pin 32 there are 5.7 v check the line of pin 32 and I didn't find anything damaged that they suggest to me alone and perform this test

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Joansoler
Joansoler
47.894
hace 5 años
hace 5 años
Big mistake, in this Chassis the "Micro" is I701 and the "Jungle" is I101 ... Don't get confused! Now, it restores everything to its original state, but this time it only disconnects a terminal to R877: 10K, connected to the "B" of Q873: KTC3198; also do the same with the "Choke" L805: 940uH in order to unlink the + B that reaches pin 5 of the FBT (Fly Back Transformer). Connect the TV to the mains and check if the voltages that the source should deliver are now also restored, in the Power ON Mode, and if it normalizes the "8.7V" on pin 42: VPEG VCC of I101 . Regards! Joansoler Let's see, the basic process or routine (steps 1 to 6) necessary to get the ignition in this DAEWOO Chassis CN-001G, can be observed in this block diagram, verify consecutively starting with 1 and comment on where this process is interrupted ...
Joansoler
Joansoler
47.894
hace 5 años

It is still premature to "accuse" the Micro (I701) of being defective, check that D851: Zener 9.1V is not defective. If you connect R877 but release a terminal to R874: 6.2K, the source must deliver all normal voltages, just like the previous test.
In this condition, when connecting the TV to the mains, we have in I701 >> 11: ST-BY (5 V) and 29: POWER (0 V); on I101 >> 28: POWER ON CONTROL (0 V) and 47: SW 8.7V REG OUT (0 V), check if there is a change to the power order from the CR / Remote Control) and from the Panel (keyboard ) >> 0 V; 5 V; 5V and 8.7V, respectively

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yoelsi
yoelsi
415
hace 5 años

Perform the test that you indicated friend joansoler connect the r877 and disconnect the r874 the diode is fine In Estambay I have on I701
pin 11 st-by (5v)
pin 29 power (0v)
and on I101 pin 28 power on control (0v)
pin 47 sw (0v)
these voltages are in state stamp now when giving the ignition order octengo
on I701 pin 11 of (5v) it goes to (0v)
pin 29 of (0v) passes to (5v)
on I101 pin 28 of (0v) it goes to (5v)
and pin 47 of (0v) goes to (8.6v) and when I turn off the voltage of pin 47 it goes very slowly until it is at (0v)
what do you recomend

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Joansoler
Joansoler
47.894
hace 5 años

Alright, this rules out a breakdown of the Micro. As for the Jungle it does it partially, but let's see how its internal block that acts as a horizontal oscillator responds: It restores EVERYTHING to its original state. but this time remove L805 and instead temporarily install a filament lamp, which will light only on the order of ignition and not before. Comment result of this test.

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yoelsi
yoelsi
415
hace 5 años

ok perform the test restore everything in its place and remove the l805 and mount the light bulb instead the result was that I fail the test all the voltages fell off

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yoelsi
yoelsi
415
hace 5 años

ok perform the test restore everything in its place and remove the l805 and mount the light bulb instead the result was that I fail the test all the voltages fell off

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Joansoler
Joansoler
47.894
hace 5 años

Let's go back to the previous state, where all the voltages delivered by the source were normal, but this time soldering the bulb on the 2 terminals of C814: 100uF / 160V, this in order to test the performance of the source, when required or demand of current by the "load" (light bulb).

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yoelsi
yoelsi
415
hace 5 años

Ok, I'm going to take the test and tell you

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yoelsi
yoelsi
415
hace 5 años

I told him to perform the test by disconnecting and disconnecting the r874 with the bulb in the c814 the result was a tic tic tic and there is no voltage now I explain by chance to the destination the light bulb that had 100 w this one fell off and even I get there is one of 25w and I think that is why this tic tic tic is the reason for the source and the other problem is that right now here in Venezuela where I live it is quite difficult to get 100 and 200w light bulb that you recommend

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Joansoler
Joansoler
47.894
hace 5 años

A filament lamp (bulb) of 100W for 110V / 127V AC is TOO much for this test, because it is "overloading" the source, demanding a current greater than what it is capable of providing.
That lamp to be welded on C814 must in no case exceed 75W110V AC. that is to say that you can also use 60W, 50W, 40W, 25W, ... The "energy saving" or "low consumption" lamps are not suitable for this test.

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yoelsi
yoelsi
415
hace 5 años

Understood friend joansoler good as I explained the test I made it with a bulb of 25 wa 110v ac and there is a sound tic tic tic tic ........ and does not deliver voltage

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Joansoler
Joansoler
47.894
hace 5 años

If at this time the 133V of + B reappears, when the 25W bulb is removed from C814, then it is "devalued" (dry) C814 or "overrated" (higher resistance) R805: 0.33Ω 5% 2W,

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yoelsi
yoelsi
415
hace 5 años

Sorry for the delay, friend, I inform you that the R805 resistance is fine and the trainers also change the R805 and the trainers anyway

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yoelsi
yoelsi
415
hace 5 años

the fault persists

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yoelsi
yoelsi
415
hace 5 años

Hello friend, I commented that I already found the voltage failure was the two filtering of the source that the c890 of 47uf and the c893 of 4.7uf were invested in the place of the other place them each in their place and the voltage is stable but the television does not turn on I give the ignition order the estanbay turns off like when it turns on but there is no high voltage nor does it feel activate the relay

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yoelsi
yoelsi
415
hace 5 años

Well friend, I told you that I already solved the TV, I told you after I realized that the small filters that are in the fountain were inverted, the place of the other one fix it, put them in place and the voltage stabilized but the TV did not turn on. I only turned off the LED as when it turned on but I did not do it when reviewing the diagram that the joansoler friend sent me I found that on pin 12 there was not 8.7 volts so that the jungle emits the horizontal frequency when checking the q801 it turns out that I was also invested fix it and the tv turned on

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yoelsi
yoelsi
415
hace 5 años

It turns out that I tested it by audio and video and it looked perfect but when trying on cable this screen was black it shows menu and everything else but the image of the cable did not give it but it was heard reprogram the eeprom and the fault persisted when touching the jungle With this finger, a balbarida warmed up, I decided to change it and it turns out that that was the cause the jungle at the end was also damaged, I have the TV in test, it has about 3 hours working and a perfect greeting to everyone and thanks for the help very grateful with all your advice

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luis tartaglia
hace 5 años

It was the jungle it was the jungle.
Very rough

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luis tartaglia
hace 5 años
hace 5 años
Hi. For what you say for me the mic is short. You want to get out of any doubt, feed it with an external 9v source.
yoelsi
yoelsi
415
hace 5 años
hace 5 años
Hello friend joansoler thank you for your response I tell you to perform the test that you recommended disconnect the r877 of 10k and the L805 of + by it turns out that all voltages are present and normal until 8v on pin 42 of the jungle and even lit the LED They are stable and they are also stable, but now I see that the resistance line reaches the micro I701 on pin 11, which tells me that the micro I701 is damaged and not the jungle as I thought it could be or another component affected recommend me
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