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Samsung LED TV UN40JU6000 without backlight

charly0072012
hace 5 años
hace 5 años
Hello friends of Yoreparo! :) I come to raise a problem that was presented to me by repairing a Samsung LED TV model UN40JU6000. The fault is that the TV does not turn on the backlight. I proceeded to take it apart and in fact I found 3 LEDs burned. I replaced them and to my surprise, the backlight still doesn't turn on. I checked all the LEDs again, and they are perfect. I do not understand what exactly happens, I am confused. The voltage output of LEDs according to the silkscreen of the source, is 162v. The tv has 5 strips of 9 leds each. A total of 45 leds. In the output I only measure 119v. I also want to clarify that the output of the LEDs has 4 cables. Only in one of those 4 cables I have 119v reading. In the other 3 I have nothing at all. I leave photos of the source, to see if someone can give me a hand. As always, I will value all the answers. A hug !!! and thanks in advance! ;) -------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------- QUESTION EXTENSION: I tried all the strips and they work OK. I injected voltage to each strip, and they lit OK. I tried led by LED and the same, they are all OK. With that I discard the LEDs and also the contacts that bind each strip together. In total there are 5 led strips of 9 leds each (45 leds in total). They work at 3v. The 3 lower strips turn ON when measuring voltage with the tester. That is, if I put the negative tip on the chassis, and the positive on each of the 3 lower strips, the LEDs light dimly. Something that surprised me is that if I repeat that same procedure, but with the diode scale tester, the 3 lower strips light up to the maximum. I know it is dangerous for the tester, but on that scale by putting a negative tip on the chassis, and a positive tip on the positive of each strip, I get the lower LEDs on. With the top LEDs, I get nothing at all. Now, those 3 strips are powered with 119v. But in the upper strips (which are 2) there is no voltage. Nothing. And I think that is the reason why they do not light the upper LEDs, not even repeating the previous procedure (that is, measuring voltage with the tips of the tester, I do not get them to light). I LEAVE 2 PHOTOS GRAPHING THE BACKLIGHT and its diet: CLEAR UP AGAIN: The lower LEDs inside the green box ONLY ON BY SUPPORTING THE POSITIVE POINT on the positive of each led strip, and the negative to chassis. If I do not do that, the lower LEDs do not light. The upper LEDs inside the red box, have no voltage, so, despite repeating the previous procedure with the tips of the tester, I can not turn them on. Next, a photo of the circuit that carries the voltage to the strips: On the right in green, the power of the lower LEDs is 119v. On the left, power absent for the upper LEDs. Conclusion: I think the source is damaged in the LED voltage output. But I have no diagram of it and I have no idea how to solve the problem without changing the source. I can be wrong, but I think the damage is at the source, because there is no power for the higher LEDs (LEDs that are OK) THANK YOU ALL THE POSSIBLE HELP: (
Adrian Diaz
hace 5 años

Hi, did you check the connector that made the main?

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charly0072012
hace 5 años

The connector that goes to the main is ok. It is not cut. There is an image on the screen but there is no backlight.

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Adrian Diaz
hace 5 años

ahh okei, say that the LEDs reach 119v (approximately 2.6V to each one according to the amount of LEDs you said you have), that should be some modification that they made so that the LEDs burn less, with that tension should be enough but try raising it a little. I assume that the LEDs are 3v because otherwise the 162V indicated on the board would be insufficient.

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charly0072012
hace 5 años

Hello again Adrian. In effect they are 3v LEDs. I also estimate that it is sufficient tension, but the LEDs do not light, and the worst is that they are all good! Already check up the connectors of the led strips ... but nothing. I'm lost

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Adrian Diaz
hace 5 años

Look, it only occurs to me that you try the strips with another source (I don't know if you tried led by LED or tried the complete strip of one) and test your source with other strips. I'm sorry I can't help you anymore

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charly0072012
hace 5 años

Hello again Adrian. I tried strip by strip, (injecting voltage with controlled source), and led by LED. Everything is OK. (bone, discarded LEDs). Unfortunately I have no other source for this TV, but I will expand the question above (where are the photos) adding new results, to see if there is something that I am not seeing or is being overlooked. Thanks again friend!

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Adrian Diaz
hace 5 años

The extension is very good. I think you said you tested the connection between strips (the plate), I suppose the plate puts the strips in series, so if it fails to connect any, the circuit remains open.
I answer what you asked in another comment, if you put a led upside down I could not turn on the strip.

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charly0072012
hace 5 años

Exactly friend Adrian, the connections between strips are perfect and the LEDs are well placed (because if I test the strips individually with 12v current, they light), although I tell you the truth ... I took the job of removing the leds that had placed and were perfectly well placed. I put them back in their place, and repeated all the tests. I can already tell you with total certainty that LEDs are not the problem. Those that burned were correctly replaced and all the strips are ok.

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charly0072012
hace 5 años

I do not know what you think, but for my part, I am 99% sure that it is a source problem, at the stage that feeds the LEDs. Unfortunately as in these cases, there is no diagram available to attempt repair. I don't want to give up and buy another badge for now, I prefer to wait a bit and continue to find out if I get the diagram. But ... unfortunately it is time to change the plate. I think so at least. :(

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Adrian Diaz
hace 5 años

If it must be the source, and with a little patience even if you do not have diagrams you can look for components in poor condition, for example, check if you see any electrolytic capacitor even if it is a little inflated.

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charly0072012
hace 5 años

Yes mate, I'm on it. I am revising the source in that sector, and I am tracking the voltages. It's going to take time but I know I'm going to make it. I will comment results. Many thanks!!!!! :) :)

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veronica
hace 5 años

well no c but I would do if I do not want to take it to repair on the plate you checked if all that part where there is no tension there is no cold welding ???

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charly0072012
hace 5 años

yes i did bro

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gilar
gilar
6.594
hace 5 años
hace 5 años
Do this test, the Led cable - you disconnect it from the power source and send it to the chassis, the Led + positive you leave it as is and turn on the source, so you can deduce where the damage is, this test can be done with just the source and lighting, comment your results to know where to attack the problem, also publish the number of ic. led controller ... greetings
charly0072012
hace 5 años

Hello friend Gilar. Let's see if I understand you well: the LED connector is 4 wires (2 negative and 2 positive). You suggest that you derive the 2 negatives of the leds to the ground and disconnect them from the source and only leave the 2 positives right?

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charly0072012
hace 5 años

Or do I just unlink the LED cable - which belongs to the upper strips (which do not light)?

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gilar
gilar
6.594
hace 5 años

Your source has 2 voltages, one high and one low, so you must do it with both cables (LED-) that are the ones that you should take off and send them to gnd, it is difficult to work when they do not upload sharp images, or at least you must publish the number power source ... greetings

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charly0072012
hace 5 años

Sorry for the delay gilar friend. I pass the link of the 2 photos of the source: https://ibb.co/p0v7mxk
Here is the detail of the voltages: https://ibb.co/84Gb2mm

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charly0072012
hace 5 años

I can't tell which one it is. When connecting the 2 led-ground wires, and when turning on the power, only turn on the lower strips. The superiors no. I clarify that all the LEDs are working ok. I replaced the LED cables as they were originally, and in the upper strips now appears the voltage that did not appear before (47v). Which indicates that now the voltage is correct for the LED strips, but they are still not on. I am totally lost, since the LEDs are all tested and work perfect. :(

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gilar
gilar
6.594
hace 5 años

You are missing a voltage, these are two positive voltages and they are in the order indicated in the image

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charly0072012
hace 5 años

There is a positive voltage of 113v for the lower strips and another of 42v for the 2 upper strips. Those are the voltages.

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charly0072012
hace 5 años

The trouble is that not only do I not have a diagram, nor do I even get the source to check.

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gilar
gilar
6.594
hace 5 años

Clean the integrated with isopropyl alcohol, then with a magnifying glass and assisted by a lamp you will be able to decipher the number of ic and publish the number

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charly0072012
hace 5 años

Friend gilar just came back from vacation. Sorry for the delay. Could it be that the ic is the SLC8015K?

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charly0072012
hace 5 años

Gilar, I give you the solution. The problem was at the happy source. In the LED driver stage. I close the subject and give you the solution. Thank you !!

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veronica
hace 5 años
hace 5 años
Did you check the inverter?
veronica
hace 5 años

is the bark of the LED strips..tambeinse damaged or a condesador is abominated check it out to see

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charly0072012
hace 5 años

Hello Ale. It has no inverter, it is a led tv.

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veronica
hace 5 años

I checked a tv sirgaon tv-5100 and it is led and has an inverter ..... the ones you don't have are the fluorescent ones .. are you sure you don't have one?

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charly0072012
hace 5 años

No friend, the power cable goes directly to the LED strips from the source. What catches my attention is the voltage I have on the output, only 119v when I should have 162v and also the LEDs are all perfect. There were 3 damaged but I replaced them with identical LEDs, of the same voltage, and nothing ...

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charly0072012
hace 5 años

In addition, in the 4 wires that come out of the power to the LEDs, I only have voltage in one. Given that there are 2 positive and 2 negative, it is rare that only one cable has voltage.

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veronica
hace 5 años

well I imagine you reviewing condesador?

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veronica
hace 5 años

there you go ... follow that cable to see what is behind it ... and if you do not see anything bad ... just check carefully if you have to desolder do it

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charly0072012
hace 5 años

Ok friend I'm going to control that and comment again. Thank you!!

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veronica
hace 5 años

That you repair it friend ... there is no exact answer ... you have knowledge ... guide yourself by that cable to see that you are followed and try everything ..

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charly0072012
hace 5 años

Ale just expanded the question above with photos and new results. Unfortunately, since I don't get the source diagram, I have no way of effectively checking the power of the LEDs at that stage. Nor do I have a compatible source to test and discard, but I am almost certain that it is a problem of food and not LEDs. If you can look up the extension of my question and give me an opinion, let's see if we agree. Maybe some detail is being overlooked. I have knowledge but my head is burned because of this hehehehe.

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charly0072012
hace 5 años

Nor do I understand why the lower LEDs turn on when measuring voltage on them ....

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juangel
juangel
4.110
hace 5 años

are you sure that you turn on the entire strip or are you testing half and half, it will not be that you placed any of the diodes upside down, it ever happened to me that some LEDs come with the polarity reversed, that is to say that the poles sometimes the positive has the soldering contact larger than the negative, look closely at the diodes you changed because the samsung tv strips are half complicated. also the power that the LEDs receive in the samsung one only only that the connector cable is bridged at least that I have seen in all who repair, comment results

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charly0072012
hace 5 años

Hi Juangel. I tried them half and half and they light well. I do not think that the LEDs are upside down but I will check it anyway (I changed only a couple so it is not so much work). Anyway, if you had placed one upside down, and despite measuring the half and half strips, it would not be possible to light all the LEDs of each strip, right? It seems stupid what I ask, but I really burned my head so much that now I ask even the brother. Hug! (I comment results later)

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charly0072012
hace 5 años

Confirmed. All the LEDs are ok, well placed, and the strips work if I test them with an external source, strip by strip. :( It's a source problem ... but I don't find a diagram to try to repair it ...

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veronica
hace 5 años

did you check if there is cold welding in the hot part ??? you have to discard everything, or retouch everything with the soldering iron and tin to discard, nothing you lose .... hot part retouch everything

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Ennio Montenegro.
hace 5 años

The LEDs are powered by DC, do not use an inverter because it delivers AC.

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veronica
hace 5 años

Negative ... I just re-watched a TV LED and if it has an inverter ... look for it to see instead of putting a negative vote .......... and hurts one that is starting ... siragon tv-5100

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charly0072012
hace 5 años

Gentlemen, I have already clarified that this model DOES NOT USE INVERTER PLATE. On the other hand, ale, I commented that I retouched all the welds without result :( It was the first thing I did when I noticed the absence of voltage.

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veronica
hace 5 años

charly all cac we put a hand to what is damaged and learn from each other, others will have more experience than others ... but we always learn from what we know and for the next we apply it ourselves ... do not think it convenient to take it to a technical service to see a second oipinon?

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charly0072012
hace 5 años

Ale with all due respect, I don't give up. If I can't solve it, I return it. I can hardly learn something new or add knowledge if I take the equipment to another technician, because the technician charges for his work, which is to solve the fault, and not to teach. I thank you anyway. Greetings from Argentina.

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Ennio Montenegro.
hace 5 años
hace 5 años
One test you can do is to change the LED strips of those that do not light, instead of those that light. This way you will know which strip has a damaged LED. All LEDs are in series .. You can also measure from the poles of the source. For example parts of the positive and negative and with a fixed tip and the other you measure in the connectors of the strips. Did you make sure that the LEDs you changed will connect them with the same polarity .. ??
charly0072012
hace 5 años

Hi Ennio. I changed the strips already. And I did it before removing them from the chassis and testing them one by one with an external source (previously I explained it), and the result is that all the strips work perfectly. At first not, because I had 3 damaged LEDs, which I replaced correctly (otherwise, they would not turn on even with an external source). I also mentioned that I took voltage reading, in fact I extended the main question by referring to the fact that NO voltage reaches the upper strips, being in perfect condition.

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charly0072012
hace 5 años

Finally, the LEDs have been replaced correctly (I repeat it again), and as I also responded previously to colleague Adrian Diaz, I took the job of re-desoldering those that had changed and in fact they were well placed. If they were with their polarities reversed, the strips would not turn on with an external source and LED tester ... however, they light.

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charly0072012
hace 5 años

Moreover, I also checked welds, and even checked the correct continuity of the power cables between the source and the LEDs, which were perfect, without false contacts.

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nabolati
hace 5 años
hace 5 años
eye with the led that sells in [list] [*] Marcelo Adrian Adatto [*] I had problems with more than 20., I placed them on the 6 led strip of a lg tv and they didn't turn me on, I tried them one x one and they turned on correctly but in series they don't turn on I replaced them again and followed the problem until that I am measured by measuring with the esc x 1 tester, they have to measure like a diode and nothing is mediated, so I did not have voltage for the other LEDs. (Placing a zener diode for parallel testing with the LED that does not mediate as a diode lit the entire strip including this one) [/list] com
charly0072012
hace 5 años

good data friend

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