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Doubt about installation that made me in split air

Pablo Fidelibus
hace 5 años
hace 5 años
Hello people, Today I installed a 3050W AA Carrier Inverter, which was not emptied with a pump, if not pressing a valve on the outdoor unit until gas comes out. The pipe section is less than 2 meters. Before my complaint, the installers told me that when the equipment is new, it is not necessary to empty it, but the truth is that I was worried. Having installed it like this can seriously shorten the life of the equipment? In that case what would be the solution? .... Or am I giving myself a lot of handle and I shouldn't have a problem ...? Thank you very much to those who read and respond. Regards!
raul alberto klarmann
hace 5 años

Hello friend, in the first place, they are not installers, they are chantas, you should not throw refrigerant into the atmosphere, the vacuum is paramount, because not only do you eliminate the air and the humidity of the pipe but it also serves to verify that there are no losses in the connections, what they did is just what should not be done, it is difficult to know what amount of refrigerant they removed from the total load, they should control the working pressures to know if it is necessary to replace. I hope it serves you, greetings

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Pablo Fidelibus
hace 5 años

Yes, the truth is that I think that. I feel like they scammed me. They charged me $ 5000 for the installation, which I paid confidently that they were going to do the procedures correctly, since they are enrolled but no, nothing empty, loss control, etc. I hired them to have the guarantee, but they even want to charge me the VAT to make me an invoice B. It was better to hire an acquaintance who is not enrolled but knows a lot and does things accordingly: /

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friovega63
friovega63
11.849
hace 5 años

Thank you very much Pablo, for your kind assessments and thanks for the communication. Good luck I wish you success in the future S @ lu2 friovega63.

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TRIATLON99
TRIATLON99
6.267
hace 5 años
hace 5 años
I agree with the colleague is less useful life over time, but also less performance. With that pipe is out of warranty but it works the same as with three meters, the first teams with refrigerant r 410 asked the manufacturers 1.5 meters of pipe. Cheers
friovega63
friovega63
11.849
hace 5 años
hace 5 años
Hi Pablo, the seriousness of not using the pump to make a correct vacuum to a system that works with R410A refrigerant is based on the fact that when making the flea of the system with the refrigerant itself, we first do not know how much non-condensable gases have remained trapped or not within the system itself and second to me the worst, is that it is a mixed refrigerant, which being in its corresponding proportions within the system, is perfectly shared as a chemically pure substance, but be careful with the latter, because no it is, since it is a repeated mixture of two types of refrigerants, to form one with the union of both at 50% each based on 100% as a total, so knowing this we can ask the question to the supposed technical installer. Do you know in what proportions each refrigerant has remained inside the system when making the vacuum? Do you guarantee that the equipment has its best performance and the same efficiency, that before the homogeneous mixture decomposes due to the loss of the system with the supposed vacuum , a refrigerant compound more than the other for example? Well there I leave the reflection. Luck. S @ lu2 friovega63.
Pablo Fidelibus
hace 5 años

Thank you very much for your complete and clear response.
It is the first time I have a split, I noticed that it takes longer to cool than a window air that had lower refrigerators in a larger environment. I don't know if it is due to the installation they made or if there is any notable difference in the cooling speed of each one.
I don't know what the solution would be to the issue of not having made a vacuum. I guess that emptying all the gas from the pipes and equipment, emptying and recharging with new refrigerant, is the issue worth it? Or do I think of it as an option for the future x example in 2 to 3 years?

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Pablo Fidelibus
hace 5 años

Since it cost me a lot, and I want it to last as long as possible. Regards!

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friovega63
friovega63
11.849
hace 5 años

Hello Pablo, as a consolation for his disappointment with this technician, I can tell you that perhaps the lack of knowledge, about the details of the ecological type mixture gases, could be the cause of the bad practices carried out. On the other hand the recommendation would be for a next maintenance, take into account your comment, removing all the refrigerant from the system, obviously empty and refill the system itself with a new refrigerant charge in liquid state, helped by a balance, to inject the exact weight, with the load indicated in the technical chapter of the equipment.

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Pablo Fidelibus
hace 5 años

Thanks for your time. When I come I will ask if they can change my gas and do it properly, but he will tell me that nothing happens and that they work well as well. So I ask you one last question: being that I already spent a lot of money on the air, and it is not in my possibilities to make a change of refrig with another technician. Using it this summer like this (in case it cools well), and facing change next year is an option, or is it taking a lot of risk? Regards!

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friovega63
friovega63
11.849
hace 5 años

No Pablo, risk as such of gravity for that reason does not exist, if so note that it works relatively well, you can extend the change of refrigerant I repeat for later, for example for the next maintenance. The biggest drawback of vacuuming with the R-410A refrigerant itself is that when the refrigerant degrades due to the loss of a refrigerant from its mixture more than the other, its property of absorbing heat and lowering the temperature is canceled. As the system is designed to work with pressures that are now lost because another mixture is formed inside.

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Pablo Fidelibus
hace 5 años

Thank you. I stay calm then. I was worried that apparently everything is going well, but silently some component or material is degrading. With all the knowledge acquired here I will be able to defend my position in case the air does not cool. Cheers

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alecastro2007
hace 5 años
hace 5 años
These chantas are the ones that shit the laburo of those who really studied for this and we have the necessary tools, without a doubt the installation they made will shorten the life of your equipment, you have to make the installation empty and at least install it 3 to 5 meters of pipes (the manufacturer clarifies it to you in the manual of the equipment), call them and do the corresponding work, VA ... or vacuum pump they have, so I demanded that they return your money or that you do the job that corresponds, and doing the job that corresponds also involves throwing that refrigerant (gas), emptying and charging new refrigerant, since that refrigerant has moisture. but EXCRACHALOS! You have to finish with these chantas that, on top of charging you for a job badly done, puts the risk of a team that costs so much to buy.
Pablo Fidelibus
hace 5 años

Today I contacted the owner, and I was able to solve the issue of the invoice. It gave me the option of returning half the value of the installation but I do not care about that, if the job is well done. I asked him to come to check the equipment since I don't feel it cool much, he told me he was coming and check the pressure he has, I don't know exactly how. Since I am going to ask you to measure the difference between the intake and the air outlet of the indoor unit with a thermometer to see how many ° C it is. I will tell you about changing the gas, taking into account the behavior. +

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Pablo Fidelibus
hace 5 años

of the ecological type gas that friovega63 told me about. I don't think they will do it to me, and I don't know another registered technician where I live. Perhaps I should have accepted the return of labor, although not knowing what happens with the warranty. As an orientation ... if you could tell me how much a gas change comes out in a team of these, I would appreciate it. It is a Carrier 53HVA1201. Regards!

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alecastro2007
hace 5 años

Friend do not be fooled with the "ENROLLED TECHNICIAN" since many chatter with the enrolled, but the reality is that THERE IS NO SUCH ENROLLMENT FOR REFRIGERATION TECHNIQUES, some trout card and chapear with that, but the reality is that such registration DOES NOT EXIST, legally it is not valid, there is NOBODY TO AVOID IT

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Angustomy
hace 5 años
hace 5 años
Hello, the life of the equipment is not going to be seriously reduced, I installed airs without a vacuum and 10 points work. As long as the eyelashes are well made and do not lose refrigerant there is not much problem. The issue is that the guarantee of your equipment requires three meters of pipes x the installation and having put less meters it is very likely that if you have any inconvenience the claim where you bought the business does not answer you. That is the biggest problem. N of R: installation without pump is possible but not recommended
alecastro2007
hace 5 años

This is another one of those who install without a vacuum pump, did you take the course on YouTube, right?

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Angustomy
hace 5 años

“Este”, who are you disrespecting like this? Educate yourself doll. If I tell you that I saw on YouTube you will get angry but someone from your house thanks me ????

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