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Consultation split choice and electrical installation

Pichuko
Pichuko
34
hace 6 años
hace 6 años
Hello people, I want to buy a cold / heat split for the dining room of my house and do the electrical installation. For the doubts I clarify that I am from Buenos Aires For that I have 2 questions: 1) What capacity in refrigerators should I choose? It is for a dining room of 18 m2 (4x4.5) joined by an opening (2 meters wide by 2 alura) to a kitchen of 14 m2 (the height is 2.60). That is, they are 32 m2 The main question I have is that there are splits of 3300 fridges and from there they pass to 4500 fridges and I don't know which one would correspond and I don't want to buy the biggest one if it is not justified. Nor can I easily find the information on the amperage of both types of splits, which affects the second question. 2) Is the electrical installation that I want to do correct? The current situation of my house is that the board leaves an exclusive line for the 2 splits of 2700 Refrigerators that are in the bedrooms I plan to extend that cable to reach the dining room split The section of the current cables is 2.5 mm2. (same for extension) The current thermal is 15 amps (BAW C15) Clarification: I plan to connect the 3 airs to the same line so as not to complicate myself considering that I will never turn on the 3 airs at the same time. At most I will turn on 2 at a time so the biggest load would be the split of the dining room and one of the small bedrooms. Since I already have the masonry and the electricity conduits prepared in this way, my question is whether I will have any problem in the scenario that I propose to modify as little as possible. Greetings and thank you very much in advance
elektomaq
elektomaq
62.202
hace 6 años
hace 6 años
Hello At least 4500 frig, it should actually be a little more due to the thermal load of the kitchen but with normal use of the kitchen, it will work well ... its nominal intensity is around 9 amper so if it is going to go along with 2 2700 frig equipment I suggest a 4 mm2 circuit and 25A thermal circuit for the 3 teams. (The cable must be 4 mm2 in the entire circuit until the last equipment alike) regards
Pichuko
Pichuko
34
hace 6 años

Thanks elektomaq.
Taking into account that the 3 teams are not going to turn on at the same time. Can't reach the 2.5 mm2 cable?
I ask because today the installation is 2.5
And if only 4500 frig were installed, what would be the section of the cable and the thermal?
Regards!

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elektomaq
elektomaq
62.202
hace 6 años

The issue is that today you say it is impossible to turn on all three devices at the same time and when the need forces, they will turn them on and will not remember what you said so safely today.
A normal marriage family and a child can without any problem use three computers simultaneously
The idea is that if they can not use more than two so it is for an energy saving issue, but when it is required to use all three for any need, the installation does not suffer

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elektomaq
elektomaq
62.202
hace 6 años

If you put the 4500 frig in a separate circuit, you can leave the other two as they are, and the new circuit would be cables of 2.50 mm2 and thermal 16A (only for the 4500 equipment)

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Pichuko
Pichuko
34
hace 6 años

It doesn't really go through an energy saving issue. What happens is that in the house we are 2 people and the splits of the bedrooms are lit only for a while in the afternoon in summer. (they are only for refrigeration)

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elektomaq
elektomaq
62.202
hace 6 años

Well ... in that case 2.50 mm2 and 20A thermal cables, but you must ensure that the cables are of the highest quality under the iram standard NM247-3

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Pichuko
Pichuko
34
hace 6 años

I was touring forums to understand a little more about the subject, since my knowledge is basic.
I happen specifically the situation and then ask you some questions.
I finally bought a Split of 4300 fridges. The other 2 are 2750 and 2250.
What I found out is the consumption in amps of each one. Unfortunately I did not find concrete data but they are opinions in the forums and the intensities would be the following:
4300 frig: 9 amp
2750 frig: 5 amp
2250 frig: 4.3 amp
If we add the 3 it gives us a total intensity of 18.3 amps
(Follow in the next comment)

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Pichuko
Pichuko
34
hace 6 años

According to IRAM NM247-3, a 2.5 mm2 cable that complies with that standard admits up to 21 amps
So, to understand, would not reach with a 2.5 mm2 cable that meets the standard to turn on the 3 splits SIMULTANEOUSLY?
I ask you this question to understand how it is determined whether a cable or another is going

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elektomaq
elektomaq
62.202
hace 6 años

Yes ... it could reach, but the other thing that defines the section of the cable to be placed is the thermomagnetic available whose value must be in the middle between the maximum load and what the cable supports
In this case your load is 18.3A and the cable supports 21A. The thermal whose value is intermediate between these two, is that of 20A
Not bad .... but notice that they are very tight values, so I recommend not to have problems with the 25A thermals but unfortunately for this thermal we must increase the cable section to 4 mm2 that supports 28A

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elektomaq
elektomaq
62.202
hace 6 años

In addition to this, the economic thermals, do not have a very accurate calibration so that a 20A could be triggered somewhat earlier. A thermal of 20A under IEC 60898 should operate from 22.6A but those are values assigned by standards that although it should be met, it does not always happen and capable that with 18 A already acts

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Pichuko
Pichuko
34
hace 6 años

So if I put 2.5 mm2 with 20A thermal, could I walk?
I ask because the current wiring I have it in 2.5 mm2 (I just need to add the extension to the new split) and if I can send change all that better
What problem could i have? Let the thermal skip by much consumption? Or is there a separate risk? If the thermal jumps I suppose that it should go to 4mm2 and thermal of 25A, but I prefer not to do it "just in case" since I have almost everything done and apart from buying cables and making the change I can also find myself with space problems to go through Corrugated pipes 4mm2 cables

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Pichuko
Pichuko
34
hace 6 años

I just see your comment about economic thermals, and it's true, one thing is the theory / norm and another is the pracitca
Just remember that as I put at the beginning, I will never turn on the 3 splits together.
Basically I want to know what risk I run if I try 2.5 mm2 and thermal 20A

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elektomaq
elektomaq
62.202
hace 6 años

If the cable is of good quality, the only risk is that the therma of 20 is triggered, if the cable is bad, we cannot assure that the thermal protects it properly, that would be the only thing to observe but as long as the three devices do not turn on simultaneously, I don't think you have any problems

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Pichuko
Pichuko
34
hace 6 años

I will make sure to put cable that complies with standard 247 and I will put thermal of 20
Thank you very much electomaq!

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elektomaq
elektomaq
62.202
hace 6 años

Make sure that it is IRAM NM247-3 and not IRAM NM247-5, as it is misleading in some drivers of doubtful origin and low price

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