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Consultation on Differential and Thermal

checho27016
hace 5 años
hace 5 años
Good, I write to inquire about the order of thermal and circuit breaker. I read many posts on this forum and I know that by regulation First, there is a general cut, then a circuit breaker and then there is a thermal circuit for each circuit, my question and in my case, in my house from the pillar to the house there is no more than 50 cms and enters the main board (what seems strange to me is that the rush that enters the board P They are 4 gray cables, 2 N and 2 F of 2.5mm. they enter a circuit breaker and from there it comes out to a 25th thermometer, everything is in 2.5mm. The section from the rush I know it's wrong, what I'm going to do, I should go first to the general thermal and then to the circuit breaker, right? Something would happen if the circuit breaker circuits come out? It is all in a single circuit (sockets and lights). If it is not understood, I could upload an outline of how it is
Ennio Montenegro.
hace 5 años
hace 5 años
Although the differential will operate the same when it is before or after the thermomagnetic, the reason that is installed after the thermomagnetic, is that the differential does not operate against overload or short circuit, so if an internal fault occurs, it would not have an element that clears the failure. That is why the meter may have protection or may have fuses in the splice.
checho27016
hace 5 años

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That's how the installation was, it's TP there is no TS. I do not understand how 2 wires of N and 2 of F enter and then bridle with 4mm cable but hey, it is Argentine .. I am going to doubt, how is the picture going to happen, leaving something like that? And if the ID were first and then the thermal?

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elektomaq
elektomaq
62.202
hace 5 años
hace 5 años
Hi according to your question if something happens ... the answer is: "nothing happens until it happens" the board is totally inappropriate and anti regulatory the entrance with two pairs of 2.50 mm² is because they wanted to put a cable of 4 mm² and thought 2x2.50 = 5 mm² has to go .... well it does not go! That is forbidden the entrance is by the C25 Steck thermo magnetic that would be nice between thermomagnetic and differential cable of 4 mm², that would be fine the differential 0.03A 25A Sica continues at the output of the differential are cables of 1.50 mm²? APPALLING With that, the C25 thermal is inadequate and dangerous and I am 80% sure that this differential does not work (I can be wrong) but I doubt that 1.50 cable has not suffered any overheating and loss of insulation. You should provide at least 2 circuits and I would recommend you find a competent electrician, not one of those that join two wires to the input to add power and then end up coming out with a much finer wire than the finest surely you must rewire the entire installation, adapt the board and include the missing grounding and it is mandatory comment doubts Cheers
checho27016
hace 5 años

Good morning elektomaq, I am doing a course of electricity and I know that the installation is wrong since it is old, the issue is that to rewire is to break everything and pass new pipe or do it outside because they are old pipes, but hey, the circuit breaker works yes. What I want if you can explain to me, is the difference between connecting a circuit breaker as general cut-off and thermal for circuits or thermal of general and circuit breaker for circuits. I have clear how the installation would be as a rule obviously. I ask why at some point an installation will touch me like that and I would like to explain

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elektomaq
elektomaq
62.202
hace 5 años

normatively speaking ... there is much more probability that there is a short circuit to the existence of an indirect contact between the first device (ITM) and the second (ID), so it is more advisable to place the thermomagnetic first. Of course, for this, it must be an installation that respects the standard
If the installation does not respect anything, it is the same as it is, in fact, many say "the ITM should be closer to the short" ... others say "the ITM should be as close as possible to the generator" ....
They are actually dodged, because they say it thinking that this prevents the

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elektomaq
elektomaq
62.202
hace 5 años

... Icc circulate through the ID. And they do not realize that if the short circuit is downstream of the ID, the Icc if or if it will circulate through the ID this before or after the ITM and the operating times of the ITM will be the same this before or after the ID

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elektomaq
elektomaq
62.202
hace 5 años

Going back to the regulation .... AEA says that, as long as the sectional circuit (s) maintain their double isolation condition, it is admitted that the IDs are in the sectional boards and is not required in the TP
In both the ITM if or if it must be present on the main board
What does this tell us?
First and foremost the ITM
now ... in your case where the cabinet is metal without pat with high risk of leaks and short circuits not only on the board but also throughout the installation, what you should keep in mind that this activity is regulated and you can not do what one

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elektomaq
elektomaq
62.202
hace 5 años

... wants to do what is necessary to make things look good and above all safe Because nothing could possibly happen, but if it happens, the owner will not say "no ... the electrician is not to blame, I was the one who does not let him do it" They are going to make the burden and they will accuse you of negligence professional!

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checho27016
hace 5 años
hace 5 años
Perfect, I consider the issue resolved. Very kind to answer, can I ask here the calculation for the voltage drop or open a new question? I have read quite a lot in the forum but it is not clear to me. From already thank you very much
elektomaq
elektomaq
62.202
hace 5 años

I preferably opened another topic

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