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Household Electricity

Differential circuit breaker jumps by ground spliced neutral

darklican
hace 5 años
hace 5 años
Hello, first of all greetings to the members of the community that have helped me many times to see their suggestions in post with problems similar to mine. I write because in this case I did not find anything like it, I come to tell you. I recently moved to an old apartment, which did not have a differential circuit breaker, so I bought and installed one. Everything went well until they touched the internal bell of the corridor that is almost never used, which made the circuit breaker jump. thinking that the bell was short, I opened it with the idea of changing it and I realized that the neutral is spliced with an uninsulated wire that I assume is earth. The strange thing is that if I take out the ground wire, the doorbell does not work (try to connect a direct lamp to neutral and phase and it does not go without the ground one), and if I connect it, the circuit breaker jumps. I understand that the junction of the neutral or ground phase generates a short circuit that makes the circuit breaker jump, what I do not understand is because it was spliced and because when it is removed it does not work. I hope you can give me some idea of how to solve it and why this happens. Thank you very much.
elektomaq
elektomaq
62.202
hace 5 años

The first thing is not to assume that such a cable is earth, it can be neutral and not insulated. I have found up to phases without isolating so the lack of isolation determines absolutely nothing
The second is to analyze how it is connected. As Nastor says, both phase and neutral must come from inside your home
If this cable is really ground it is obvious that the differential will act as it must return by neutral, not by ground

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Ennio Montenegro.
hace 5 años
hace 5 años
From what you say, the neutral is interrupted somewhere and they found nothing better than connecting it to ground. Since it had no differential, it obviously worked. My opinion differs from that of Nastor, in that it is the ground connection of the bell's neutral is the problem, since if the phase is taken before the differential, and the neutral connected to ground, the differential would never operate. And it does not operate with the neutral of the earth connected to the ground, because as I mentioned it is interrupted somewhere. To solve it, you must find the fault point of the interrupted neutral connection and connect it. With what you can remove the earth from the neutral of the bell, because if you keep it, you will not be able to connect the differential because it would operate continuously.
Ricardo Ab.
Ricardo Ab.
5.181
hace 5 años

This is the typical theft of current. When using earth as neutral of the company there is no return to the meter and this does not mark what corresponds. Maybe they just did it with the bell. There are many cases in which the entire installation is in those conditions with the consequent risk to the physical integrity of the users.

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Ennio Montenegro.
hace 5 años

Richard
Your judgment is somewhat rushed, without asking if the whole house is left without its equipment and lights.
The other thing is that if the meter reaches the phase and the neutral, it will integrate the energy correctly, because the current measurement is made in the phase and not in the neutral.

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Ricardo Ab.
Ricardo Ab.
5.181
hace 5 años

Hello Ennio, this man recently acquired the house and if it were not for trying to improve the installation (putting a differential) or he would not have noticed the event, he is a victim of an illuminated electrician. Do you have any idea how many people steal light by that method? ? How many accidents are there for that reason? Don't forget that it's just a comment from me. Regards

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Ennio Montenegro.
hace 5 años

Richard
If the comment that they steal current by grounding the neutral, you are in error. Another intervention must be done to steal energy, which we are not going to deal with here.

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Ricardo Ab.
Ricardo Ab.
5.181
hace 5 años

You know what I mean and the way it is done and I am not accusing this consultant, he is just a victim of trade union bad practices. Many times I have been asked to intervene in both electricity and gas, two extremely delicate areas where saving can result in misfortune.

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elektomaq
elektomaq
62.202
hace 5 años

Ricardo: if you connect the neutral of a bell to earth you do not steal absolutely anything, not even what the bell consumes, on the other hand, who decides to steal energy through that method will not do it in a bell

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elektomaq
elektomaq
62.202
hace 5 años

As Ennio told you, the method is not going to be treated here but it is not just landing the neutral, other things are needed, if someone did it for that purpose, it was pure ignorant

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Ennio Montenegro.
hace 5 años

In addition, all the artifacts would have stopped working and not only when the bell rang.
Sorry to comment on the comments, but we must make the interventions clear.

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Ricardo Ab.
Ricardo Ab.
5.181
hace 5 años

What I interpret is that the source of the bell has the phase of the company and as neutral it has physical ground, so when it rings the bell, it unloads the ground and the differential jumps, not the rest of the house, that is more than clear. ..the problem is only with the doorbell. As for the comments, that's what they are for; Propose different opinions. The solution has already been provided by Nastor, Ennio and Elektomaq, which must be changed to the neutral of the company.

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darklican
hace 5 años

Hi Thank you all for commenting, and participating in solving the problem. I think that as Ennio says when the neutral was cut, they used the ground wire, which causes the short circuit and causes the circuit breaker to jump. Since the problem is only with the bell (the rest of the installation seems to be fine), I will follow the wiring to see if I can solve it by connecting the neutral properly and removing the ground. Thank you for your point of view, then I will comment as follows.

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darklican
hace 5 años
hace 5 años
Thank you all, problem solved , as Ennio the problem was that the neutral wire was cut. I followed it to the nearest box where I could splice it with the general neutral wire and that's it. Thank you for the prompt responses and continue to collaborate as well. I have finished the query Greetings;)
nastor
nastor
17.232
hace 5 años
hace 5 años
Hello Beyond the strange middle connection of the bell button you mention, the problem is that this button takes power BEFORE the differential circuit breaker, ground or general neutral you mention. That neutral (grounded) does not leave your apartment, it is prior to it, so when triggered it causes a fault that the differential circuit breaker detects as a leak. The solution is to take two wires from the apartment to the button, one has it, the other is missing (the one that is connected to "ground"), that neutral must be after the differential circuit breaker.
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