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Household Electricity

4 mm cable for the whole kitchen with electric oven plus laundry?

Roger D'Errico
hace 6 años
hace 6 años
Good morning, first of all I want to thank you for all the help you offer, I'm from Misiones, Argentina. I tell you my situation: the pseudo-electrician who did the installation in my house did many things wrong and therefore we are rethinking the installation and the sectional board. The connection of the house is three-phase, the electrician had planned a phase for the air (it is a future forecast since since the house is fresh and for the moment we are not going to put them), the electric oven, the electric water heater, the water pump (the house has a well); another phase for the shots (all); and the third phase for the luminaire (all). Reviewing the forum and learning I realize that the phases are not well balanced, so we planned to redefine them (among other things that had to be rethought). The particular problem of this query is that for everything that is kitchen and laundry there is a single cable pipe, where a 4 mm cable (phase for the oven taking), two 2.5 mm cables pass (the luminaire phase of the laundry and the socket phase), two other 2.5 mm cables (the neutrals of the luminaire and sockets, there is no neutral exclusive for the oven socket cable), and a ground wire. To maintain this configuration but that it is correct I would need to pass at least one more cable (the neutral for the oven, so the 3 circuits each have their bipolar thermal), so I was thinking that instead of putting a circuit to the exclusive oven socket, and another one for the rest of the kitchen and laundry sockets (refrigerator, washing machine, microwave), make a single circuit where all the sockets (the oven plus the rest) are with 4 mm cables and 20A thermal. Since this circuit would be quite loaded, I planned to feed it with one of the phases that I would not share with the rest. Another question is about the distribution of the phases (since I am limited by the installation of pre-existing pipes), so that they are balanced, but I don't know whether to put it here or open another topic in the forum. Thank you in advance for your answers.
Edurau
Edurau
835
hace 6 años

Being a three-phase service, using it as three monophasics separately, the intention of balancing the consumption in the phases, is a fallacy, because unless you use all the power installed simultaneously, you will have one charged, when you use oven or washing machine , and depending on the simultaneity, another when you turn on some lights, another when you use the floor polisher or vacuum cleaner, etc. therefore, I don't see why to spend the effort and money on that. with a neutral of 4 or 6 mm2. each line with 4 mm2, and the lights with 1.5 mm2, using led lamps or low consumption. luck

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nastor
nastor
17.232
hace 6 años
hace 6 años
hello Roger Do not worry about balancing the installation if that makes it difficult for you, it balances among other things to take advantage of the cable drop section accordingly (and therefore not over-dimension cables and protections without need), the rest, as Edurau says it is overrated. The kitchen should look like this: cables (live and neutral) of 4 mm² for oven. 2.5 mm² (live and neutral) cables for countertops and laundry. 1.5 mm² (live and neutral) cables for luminaires PaT cable, the one you have, or another 2.5 mm² If you want to leave 2.5 mm² cables for the luminaire, you leave it (that is if you have space in the pipe); but the neutral of the oven is important that you add it, along with double protections for each circuit. Leave the oven only with a 4 mm² cable, at most you can make an extra exit in that line for a specific use, but try to avoid it since the oven consumes a lot.
nastor
nastor
17.232
hace 6 años

If you cannot do this, we rethink, but it is ideal.

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Roger D'Errico
hace 6 años

Thank you, the issue of leaving a single 4mm cable. for the whole kitchen it was for the theme of the space in the pipe, which is already fair and still lacks the neutral of 4 mm. That is why I had thought to take out the 2.5 mm phase and neutral, add the 4 mm neutral and connect all the sockets with that of 4.

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nastor
nastor
17.232
hace 6 años

Remove the 2.5 mm² cables of lighting, place 1.5 mm² and add a neutral of 4 mm² leaving the 2.5 mm² socket line. This is done by removing ALL cables and passing the package again well lubricated.

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Roger D'Errico
hace 6 años

Thank you very much Nastor! I will see to do that. But the other possibility that I thought today is to leave the 4 mm circuit for the oven, and a circuit with 2.5 mm cables shared between sockets and luminaire, but what you tell me is convenient.

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nastor
nastor
17.232
hace 6 años

Roger
In electricity the problems are with loads of high consumption, but if you can, do the best for your home, ultimately prioritize a good cable section for that oven. If there is no other, use a mixed line for lighting and shots of that sector (as you say).

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Roger D'Errico
hace 6 años

Thanks again! Regards!

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nastor
nastor
17.232
hace 6 años

Regards

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