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Household Electricity

I break the circuit breaker in the house after a lot of rain, help!

Gabriel Irlanda
hace 6 años
hace 6 años
Good, in the garden I have 3 luminaire towers and 2 spots buried in 2 pots (one in each pot), these 5 luminaires are placed on the same line (a cable of about 50 meters bordering the entire garden, the first 2 are spots in the pots, and then in the 3 corners of the garden are the 3 towers (1 tower in each corner) Here I show the light box, it has the photocell that turns on when night falls. In this box there are 2 switches, the one on the left lights PAR38 javelins (eight in total) and the switch on the right lights these lamps with the problem. When I turn on the javelins everything is fine, the problem is when I turn on the other line, the circuit breaker jumps. After many tests in the house (unplugging refrigerator etc.) say that the problem is there in that line in the garden. I repeat for the doubts that this problem was generated by a heavy continuous rain of more than 2 hours, there had been other rains but I never had a problem with these lights, in more, I left them on while it rained and nothing ever happened. Now I will detail what I did on that line: 1- I disassembled the light box to see if there had been no water since it looks outside (it should be clarified that I waited for the other day of the sun to dry and nothing, it is still the same skipping the circuit breaker) I removed the photosensitive cell and made a bridge with an extension from the kitchen to the interuptor, but the problem persists. So the box and the switch are fine. 2- Disassembled and cut the wires of the spots of the pots, but the problem persists. 3- I tried the LED by connecting it to an external extension and it works without problem, the 2 spots. 4- Each spot is buried in the pot, to the underground cable (violet color of thick rubber), the joint is super meticulously made, has insulating tape, then a couple of turns of self-weldable rubber tape, and then again all insulating tape covering it, this is super tight, I do not think that there is the fault and that water has entered, attached photo. 5- The next lights on the line are the 3 towers, two are in the background (photo) and the third on the left side where I took the photo (the pots with the spots are on the right) 6- These towers are very simple, they have the positive and negative + earth discharge. I had some stones around at the base but I took them off, and the problem remains. I noticed if there was any yoke below making the lamp short but no, then if it was wet, broken, cut the wire, but nothing. No problem is seen with the naked eye. The system is very simple, I looked at the 3 towers and the three look the same, with no apparent problem. https://adjuntos.yoreparo.com/imagen_post/0004/32/ea250d5bf6c533828968856f92852b561d54e060.jpeg" alt="" /> As you can see the underground cable is very thick and of good quality, they are used for the garden. I lacked to take the positive and negative and try each of the towers to see if any have the problem, but at first glance I see nothing strange and the white outer plastic that covers it is not broken or broken in any of the three towers. I would like to know if someone can give me some clue where the problem may be coming from, it should be a minimal problem since the circuit breaker jumps and not the thermal one, the thermal one would jump with something more serious like some short circuit? And if the next test I should do is as I said before, remove the wires to each tower and discard, and if after that there is something else that I am not considering? Help, thanks. ************************************************** ************************************************** ************************************************** ********** UPGRADE ************************************************** ************************************************** ************************************************** ********** Well, thank you all for answering, I was able to identify the fault. It is seen that the heavy rain gave the land, and the pot of about 30kg was imprisoning the earth, and with a splice made not so strongly, when sinking the earth it is seen that the joint gave way and the contacts were touched, attached images. 1) I disconnected that line from the switch and with the tester in continuous (the one of the beep) it gave me that the + - And they touched each other. 2) Removing the insulating tape and the self-weld rubber, the short is appreciated. 3) I cleaned the cables again, joined, placed insulating tape, self-welded rubber and covered with insulating tape again, then I put 2 sandwich stones (one below and above the other so that it has more endurance the base and flow better the Water in case of rain. 4) I covered again, with earth, I connected the towers again and WOALÁ !!! problem solved! Thank you very much for your time, it is worth noting my mistake here, I took into account the issue of underground impermeability but not that the cable could give way down, stretching and "undoing" the joints. You always learn something new in life.
elektomaq
elektomaq
62.202
hace 6 años

So you must ask yourself a question! Congratulations

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Ricardo Ab.
Ricardo Ab.
5.181
hace 6 años
hace 6 años
Hello As far as you tell and go (break the circuit breaker) the problem may be in a lamp holder and not in the wires. What is happening is a grounding discharge and that is what the circuit breaker detects. A small leak even between neutral and physical ground can give you that symptom. I would carefully review all the lampholders within the circuit that you already detected as the problem. Check that there is no rust somewhere (the rust is conductive). -------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------- --- I add an image for you to have an idea. There are also with a two-component product that is added once the box is closed as the colleague points (greetings) I hope it serves you even if you have to do the splicing again. And if not, for next time. A pleasure to contribute. Greetings and comments
Gabriel Irlanda
hace 6 años

Good, there I answered Nastor, I do not know if the messages reach them at 3, I also wanted to upload some photos of these tests but I do not know how to do it and if from now on it is only text?

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Ricardo Ab.
Ricardo Ab.
5.181
hace 6 años

Hello Everything you write is visible to everyone and to upload a new image you can use the pencil (improve response) and add the images, we will have an edited question. From what you answered to the nastor I see that you are going to have to disconnect all the luminaires, insulate the cables and test, if it continues to jump there must be a problem in the wiring (even if you don't believe it). As a comment I will tell you that buried lines usually generate 1 or 2 v even if they are not connected anywhere (battery effect I call it) Did you try the circuit breaker change?

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Gabriel Irlanda
hace 6 años

I will have to unfortunately open the splices, they are very well sealed with double insulating tape and self-welding rubber. The circuit breaker is the same, if opening the joints continues to cause problems, I will also have that alternative to change the circuit breaker.

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Ricardo Ab.
Ricardo Ab.
5.181
hace 6 años

What if!! because it is evident that the problem is only in that line. Disconnect the towers and joints to ensure the problem circuit. And comment the results. Regards

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Ricardo Ab.
Ricardo Ab.
5.181
hace 6 años

Great! We are glad you found the problem. Thanks for sharing!! Pd for underground joints there are some waterproof boxes and you forget. Regards

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Gabriel Irlanda
hace 6 años

thanks, yes, very good that of the boxes. Very amateur mine.

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elektomaq
elektomaq
62.202
hace 6 años

The waterproof case is not just the case, it is the case plus a special silicone

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Ricardo Ab.
Ricardo Ab.
5.181
hace 6 años

There are boxes with conical joints adjustable to the cable, they are for the weather and can well go underground. Regards

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Ricardo Ab.
Ricardo Ab.
5.181
hace 6 años

The same boxes that are used for reflectors with motion sensors among other applications. Regards Gustavo.

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elektomaq
elektomaq
62.202
hace 6 años

Richard
Underground you have to go with the silicone gel, without exception, beyond the case is waterproof

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Ricardo Ab.
Ricardo Ab.
5.181
hace 6 años

Well, if you say so it will be !! Eye; I am not questioning your advice, it is more; I didn't know they existed ... I saw them now. What I do believe is that as it is, sooner or later it will have problems again and I am sorry that such an exhibition (photos and explanation) is truncated. And as always ... grateful for the data provided. Cheers :) :)

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nastor
nastor
17.232
hace 6 años
hace 6 años
Hello What you should do is to cut the patio line to make sure that what is left downstream is fine . Separate the luminaires, open all the circuits you can, and when the fault disappears, start connecting them one by one to identify which causes the problem. Some things: Better protect those keys from moisture. Remove the neons from the keys. The keys have spider web and become conductive. Comment
Gabriel Irlanda
hace 6 años

Good, I comment what I did:
1- I cleaned some cobwebs in the lampholders and inside, but the circuit breaker continues to jump.
2- I disconnected the lampholders of the 3 towers, negative-positive-ground, but the circuit breaker continues to jump. The lamps had some cobweb and some rusty but very little, I also connected them one by one to the power grid and the 3 are doing well.
I was thinking of making a bridge from the last tower (no. Three) with the switch and measuring continuity with a tester, any suggestions for doing this test? I'll see if there is any kind of short? (checking - + Y)

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nastor
nastor
17.232
hace 6 años

Hi. That test does not work, failure tests require a lot of voltage (+ 500v), with common measuring instruments it does not work, less than a few volts.
Disconnect ALL the sector with failure and start reconnecting for short sections. Look for a forgotten passage box or luminaires on the floor, rather than looking in the dwarf columns.

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Gabriel Irlanda
hace 6 años

Thanks, I made the connection myself, there is no other mouth, only the thick underground cable with those 2 joints for the 2 spots and 2 joints for the towers, the last tower has no connection since the tip of the underground cable, I'm going to open the joints 1 by 1 and discard. I will upload news.

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elektomaq
elektomaq
62.202
hace 6 años
hace 6 años
Hello the splices of the towers hardly get wet but I would renew the splices, anyway this is unlikely to be the cause but not finding anything else you have to start discarding what our eyes do not see They may not be the only joints, perhaps some buried and perhaps not even know of their existence If you have a way of sectoring, start testing by sectors, then each luminaire which you will have to disconnect from its junction, and go testing one by one, disconnected all the lights, test the circuit taking care that all the tips are isolated from earth Going back to the joints, some could have got wet and kept the humidity inside, waiting for a day outside it dries but inside it is wet and if there is not very good insulation between drivers there may be perfidious finally, if the cable is not properly installed at 70 cm depth with its corresponding mechanical barrier at some point they could crack its insulation Regards
Gabriel Irlanda
hace 6 años

Good, there I answered Nastor, I do not know if the messages reach them at 3, I also wanted to upload some photos of these tests but I do not know how to do it and if from now on it is only text?

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elektomaq
elektomaq
62.202
hace 6 años

To upload photos and expand the query you must edit the question, for this you click on the icon with the pencil under your question and the main text box will reopen

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elektomaq
elektomaq
62.202
hace 6 años

As I already mentioned. Disconnect all the luminaires from their junction, and test each luminaire on one side and on the other hand the wiring buried only with all its insulated outputs. To try to do it with both polarities since it is possible that when doing the tests with the cables upside down it does not act, you test in a way and then invert the cables and try again
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