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Household Electricity

Fly three-phase lead and simple three-phase board remodeling

Dante Vivanco
hace 6 años
hace 6 años
Hello, good night, I have a question, previously I installed a simple single-phase board in my house, and now I want to improve and remodel the three-phase system of a family member, since when they use their electric heater, the leads fly when they use the heater electric. (It is 5500 watts and 30 A) (Once at two months or a month, they flew and changed it, but now as soon as they use it, the general leads fly) The cables have not put (mostly) with the colors that distinguish the neutral and phase. All cables are 12 AWG, except the one that comes from the general light meter that are a bit thicker, it looks like 10 AWG. Currently the board is like this (as in the photo): the general one with a 3x30A switch (the switch is old and the screws that hold the leads are loose), without differential, and hence 3 keys that are for the outlets (2x32A ), the lighting (2x40A) and the heater (it is placed in the bathroom and is 2x20A). I think there are 2 options for which you fly: 1. The capacity that they put in the heater switch is wrong, they put it 2x20A when the heater is 5500 watts and 30A (so it says in its description of the heater). And this leads to the flow of lead, even more so than the general one is only 3x30A. 2. The general 3x30A, must be of more capacity and must be changed, as they are old and already very loose. Taking advantage of the question, I also want to remodel the board, in this way: the general one of 3x40A, without differential at the moment, 2x32A outlet (the total use at home adds about 26A), lighting of 2x25 and the heater to one of 2x32A I plan to place the same order of the cables in the photo, if you have any recommendations for this. I would appreciate it, since it is totally the one of single phase. Thank you for your time. [Img] https://adjuntos.yoreparo.com/imagen_post/0004/50/d8065a5d902295d81e1e79207c143eff15ba5264.jpeg [/img]
Dante Vivanco
hace 6 años

Corrections: I plan to place the same order of the photo wires, if you have any recommendations for this. I would appreciate it, because it is totally different from the single phase.
- The voltage in Peru is 220V
- I am not sure if the 3 wires that come from the general meter that is outside the house, are the 3 phase wires or 2 phase and 1 neutral.
- To change them I will wear insulating gloves and I will lower the general light key (the one in the meter outside the house) Is there still a risk? because they are two phases ..

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elektomaq
elektomaq
62.202
hace 6 años
hace 6 años
What you want to do is not correct, the switches are according to the cables not to the consumptions, therefore, if you want to do things well, you will not only have to modify the board that according to your description is a disaster, you must also rewire some circuits, If the heater consumes 5500 W it is not 30A, it is 25 (220 × 25 = 5500), there is something that is not clear, 30A may be the recommended protection You must occupy the phases, so that they are as balanced as possible and that when the heater is connected, the limit current established by the general thermal is not reached which will be larger than any other and always with the appropriate conductors in terms of safety, just gloves is a little bit .... footwear and dielectric gloves plus face shield is the basics for this type of work as to whether there are 2 phases more neutral or 3 phases ..... we can't tell you that, you must solve it regards
Dante Vivanco
hace 6 años

Hello, the drivers are all 12 AWG except the 3 phases that come from the measurement are thicker I think number 10. Regarding the heater it seems that that 30A that says in the product is recommended. Get to change only the general key to one of 3x40A and the lighting to a 2x25A (the previous one of 40A I think it was too much for the consumption that there is) yet do not change the thermomag switch of the heater to one of 32A, since it is already It was night. On the circuit, yes, it is better that a three-phase specialist takes care of that (I just know something basic). Thank you for your input.

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Ennio Montenegro.
hace 6 años
hace 6 años
Dante In the title you speak of three-phase board. Then you say that you are not sure if the wires that enter are 3 phases or 2 phases and neutral. I do not understand how you can project something what you want to do, if you do not even know the provision of feeding phases .. ??? You must measure the tension between the 3 wires that enter the house. Wearing a glove and lowering the thermomagnetic is not enough to do the job, knowledge and practice are required. My opinion is that you should let a professional do the work.
Dante Vivanco
hace 6 años

Yes, I made mistakes thinking I would have neutral, but no, all three wires are phase. I get to change them and it works normal, but yes, it is obvious that for the improvement or optimization or anti-failures of the whole board a specialist is commissioned, I only read of basic concepts on the internet, and even more that it is three-phase, it is something that I should have more preparation Thank you

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Anthony Acfc
hace 6 años
hace 6 años
good day , In Peru it is usually 220vac, apparently the red wire that enters the “three-phase” switch would be PHASE, but you have to confirm it with a tester or failing that with a pager, it would be advisable to change that switch (it is a danger ). if the lead flew and not the previous thermals, the capacity of the lead wire is much less than 32 amp of your thermomagnetic (outlet), you have to find out the actual consumption of your circuit and based on that buy the main theme.
Dante Vivanco
hace 6 años

Hello, thanks to those who took their time, and if the 3 wires are phases, there is no neutral and I got to change the general key and the lighting key that had 40A I put one of 25A. Regarding the heater key I will change it these days. Although I lowered the general key of the meter while I was touching the bare copper tip of one of the 3 phases and reinstated a slight current (I was wearing gloves), I put the wires in the same place. It is better for a remodeling of the entire circuit is commissioned by a three-phase specialist. Thank you all.

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