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Household Electricity

Lamps that remain on regardless of key position

Héctor Ariel Marán
hace 6 años
hace 6 años
Hello everyone: I turn to this community for the following problem. Not long ago I decided to add a lantern (the famous turtle) to add lighting to my patio, along with the one I already had installed. I made a parallel connection to the two lanterns, and put them LED lamps. So far, all good. For two weeks or so, it worked without problems. Then one morning I discovered that the two lamps were on when the key was in the off position. I immediately thought that the rocker could have broken. I open the light box (three points), do a continuity test on the key and it works well. Then I discover that, having removed the phase and return wires from the key, the lamps were still with light. I put the pager on the loose return cable and turn on its lamp. It catches my attention and I thought of different options, but none convinces me at all. Before me, the connection had been made by a registered electrician, more than two decades ago, and so far everything was going smoothly. In the three-point box, the phase cable (black) is connected, on the one hand, and the corresponding returns, on the other. The key in conflict is in the middle and, to add more confusion, the return of that key is black, like the phase, when the other returns are red. And I can assure you that the same electrician did it. The keys must be from the '80s or early' 90s. The key in question has a green key and has a larger body where it is wired, and the other two are white with smaller bodies. I clarify that, when I did the installation, I had no need to intervene in the box since the circuit was already made. All I did was add a lamp to the existing one. If someone can give me any help, I will thank you very much.
Greenmaster
Greenmaster
2.849
hace 6 años

Why do you talk about three keys? did you add a key to the new lanterns? The existing circuit was three points? and put it in parallel to what ?? Your speech is not clear. It would be convenient for you to draw the outline of what you tried to do.

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elektomaq
elektomaq
62.202
hace 6 años
hace 6 años
Hello the answer is simple ... at some point within the pipe the phase and return wires were touched there is no connection error or three-key circuit, nowhere in the question does that or something similar mean that the lamp circuit has more than one switch regards
Héctor Ariel Marán
hace 6 años

Thank you very much for your response, elektomaq. The solution you propose to me is logical, and I had even thought about it before, but I needed the opinion of more experienced people than me on the subject. I will review the installation in the pipes more carefully, since I had only partially done so. Hug.

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Héctor Ariel Marán
hace 6 años

I also thank the other members who gave me their opinion on the subject.

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gonzalo rodrigueztecnico
hace 6 años
hace 6 años
It is due to a bad connection, I have seen similar cases - I think {the lamp will work if you move the third key {, this is because you installed the lamp connection incorrectly and at some point someone moved the third key and the fault was detected, it will be necessary to rewire
gonzalo rodrigueztecnico
hace 6 años

speaks of a green key and 2 white keys

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gonzalo rodrigueztecnico
hace 6 años

row 17, 18 and 19, I understood that the green key can be 3v or 4-way, then another key installed and one more key that I installed forista, if the connection is short circuit, phase and neutral can exist in 3-point keys ,, ,, but ,, if it is a common connection, there will only be a phase in the circuit and the neutral will be at the tip of the lamp ,, unless there was a contact or there was the preparation ,,, I think

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elektomaq
elektomaq
62.202
hace 6 años

Hi Gonzalo
The question says that it opens a 3-point box, that the failed key is the medium green one and the remaining two are white
The 3-point box is a box that houses 3 switches, obviously 3 lights or a group of different lights
The green color refers to an old line of fluorine green switches, these keys also came in ivory or white. Obviously, over time they replaced the 2 white keys (hence the difference in color and size of the modules in the same box)

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elektomaq
elektomaq
62.202
hace 6 años

On the other hand it mentions only 2 wires in the switch (phase and return) 4-way or combined circuits require 3 or 4 wires in their various switches, never 2, so it implies that they are common switches
Regards

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gonzalo rodrigueztecnico
hace 6 años

true I misunderstood the question .. hehe, greetings

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