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Wall boilers

Baxi boiler, double service mural, forced draft. E35 called parasite

adedal
adedal
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The boiler makes its normal ignition routine, when it does the sparking, it cuts to the second and marks the error 35, at the beginning of the cold day it starts sometimes well, but after it warms up it always fails. When the polarity of the plug changes, but it does not detect a flame (put phase where it goes neutral), the third attempt is blocked. I don't understand how this boiler works, it has only one probe, but it calls parasite I deduce what sens calls while the spark works, how can you do both at the same time? I would appreciate if someone knows how Baxi does to unify the ignition and detection in a probe and what routine he has. Plate, electrode and cable have already been changed, installation and grounding checked. When the flame is circulating between the probe and the burner an alternating current that is asymmetric, more positive than negative (in the probe), apparently the plate detects this before the flame occurs, where that positive voltage comes from is a mystery, all there is is the ignition spark. Thank you in advance for your answers.
uliher
uliher
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the same thing is happening to me with a baxi mainfour240f boiler sometimes turns on but it throws me e35 already provides the polarities it has a single probe is like that tita spark tries to turn on and cut could you solve? thanks

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adedal
adedal
8
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I am not a calderista, I fix electronics, they usually bring me platelets for repair when they are not available or are very expensive. In this arrangement I got involved together with the gasist, I am not sorry, but it does not make me happy either, that is, it happens to be something personal, as soon as I resolve something I will comment, so far I am trying.
Failure in these boilers is very common, with plate change is solved, the repair is a bit complex, but if you are familiar with smd components you can do it.

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Calemdq
Calemdq
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If you are an electronics technician you have 75% of the solution in your hands, I am an old calderista and 5 years ago a friend sent me to study electronics, at first it will cost you but once you pay the floor right of everything new, you will stop attending other things to devote to this, going to the topic: the spark plug is dual-function, ignition and flame sensor, the operation is simple, it has a start time in which it throws sparks and then switches to sensor, if it does not detect flame, repeat an attempt to ignite like this 3 times and if it does not succeed, it will fail.

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Calemdq
Calemdq
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Before removing a plate, everything must be checked, especially faston connectors (they are usually sulfated inside the cable lining, and it cannot be seen !!!) and the ground is checked with a 100 watt incandescent lamp and tester. If all that is OK and continues to fail, there if you take out the plate and check the large capacitors of the ignition and sensing stage, they are usually of polyester or tantalum, if you have a capacimeter check them, this is a very common fault in the plate. And the Baxi are excellent boilers, if you play a Peisa there if you are going to renege!

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adedal
adedal
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I appreciate your response, and I agree with everything, I do not usually go home, I work only for registered gas operators, but I recognize that this is much better than other arrangements.
A query, the grounding check would be of the live pole with a series lamp to ground, in this case it should bridge the circuit breaker, right? or from neutral to ground.
Specifically in this boiler there is something I do not understand, after completing your routine gives a train of sparks approximately 1 sec. and cut everything by marking E35, if it has a start time in which it throws sparks, it wouldn't be feeling.

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Calemdq
Calemdq
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Exactly, it is necessary to bypass circuit breaker, but it is the only way (if a telurimeter is not available) to ensure a good ground measurement. In the area of Villa Gesell and nearby to make a boiler walk of these is a multiple birth, since the ground is sandy ....
the fault you comment is typical of capacitors or diodes failed
Over time you will have to make an emulator to test plates, with some boiler in disuse

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adedal
adedal
8
hace 5 años

I ran out of space, I continue. but it is feeling, a plate problem seems sung, I don't know what components are involved in the spark to sensing step, but there is something that is allowing the spark to pass to the current amplifier, the disorientation is that we use three platelets 1 new and two repaired, all accuse the same fault, it could happen that the new one was not so new.

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Calemdq
Calemdq
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the new ones come in a box with the brand of the same (Siemens, Sit, Giordano, Honeywell) and a brochure, if not new.
Check the large capacitors of that stage, and the diodes, is what suffers the most !!! Also check that the cable and spark plug are perfect!

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adedal
adedal
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I appreciate your help, I feel thanks to you much more prepared to solve this problem. Hopefully I solve it and can contribute something positive to the forum.

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Calemdq
Calemdq
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The main thing is patience, you will see that it is as I say

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adedal
adedal
8
hace 5 años

I went with the gasman to test the plate to another boiler, the plate worked 10 points, it also absorbed a pin ground connection near the spark coil, which I had not connected, when connecting that in the other boiler everything worked fine, I recommended that before disconnecting take pictures. I appreciate the help, all your contributions have been very valuable

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Calemdq
Calemdq
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Hi It is quite complex what you want to know how to develop it here, but going to help you solve the problem I suggest you check the grounding, since you tried what happens by changing the polarity of the socket, be careful not to play with it because you can fuck the plate, check the effectiveness of the PAT, since it is the reference of the flame sensing in that plate model. Regards !
adedal
adedal
8
hace 5 años

A new platelet was bought, but it had been installed, now we are going to test it in another identical boiler, to get the doubt out.

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adedal
adedal
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hace 5 años
Fault E35 in BAXI boilers, In this case it originated from not connecting the ground wire that goes to a male spade pin on the plate near the spark coil. The most reliable form of flame detection is by ionization, This system uses very small currents, therefore the grounding (PAT) must be in optimal conditions. Although the error was due to an awkwardness on our part for not taking photos before disconnecting, the consultation in the forum generated the help of excellent professionals, to whom I send my thanks.
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