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Electronics and Circuit Design

Intensity measurement through shunt resistance with operational

josesv650cccc
hace 6 años
hace 6 años
Good afternoon. First of all, sorry for the unfortunate diagram I've done, but I still think it's understood. My problem is the following. I try to measure if current flows through a shunt resistor (0.2 ohms and 5 watts) for which I am using an LM358P operational amplifier. If I do not connect the load, that is, empty, in both inputs of the operational (both the inverter and the non-inverter) the voltage is the same and the LED turns on. If I connect the load, I measure a voltage drop on both sides of the shunt (and therefore on both inputs of the operational) of 20 millivolts, but the LED does not turn off. If I invert the inputs, it also does not turn off, that is, it always stays on although the two inputs of the operational are detecting unequal voltages. I've tried a thousand and one combinations and I can't see where the fault is, even changing the LM358P for a new one. I only get it to work as I want if I put a shunt resistor of 4 omhios or more, because then the voltage drop is several volts, but then the circuit loses all sense. My question is: Is the operation not supposed to detect voltage variations of a few millivolts? Why, even if it is a difference between tens of millivolt inputs, the operation does not react? Surely there is some clear error, but I don't know how to see it, really. I appreciate any guidance. Thank you all. Happy New Year to all!
Jorgeal
Jorgeal
399
hace 6 años

Have you measured the operational output to see if it changes status? in the 358 it can happen that the low level is a few volts 1 or 2 volts and the LED is always on.

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Jorgeal
Jorgeal
399
hace 6 años

Have you measured the operational output to see if it changes status? in the 358 it can happen that the low level is a few volts 1 or 2 volts and the LED is always on.

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josesv650cccc
hace 6 años

Interesting observation, Jorgeal. I would swear that I did measure it and it didn't change the output
In any case, tomorrow I look again. Do you see the diagram correctly?

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juite
juite
372
hace 6 años

I can not interpret this circuit, I think there is no idea how a comparator works, its first and basic law:
Vo = A [(v+)-(V-)], where A is the open circuit gain which is generally very large, (V +) non-inverting input and (V-) the inverter.

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josesv650cccc
hace 6 años

Juite, the idea is to capture the small voltage drop that also causes the small shunt resistance, and send this difference to the comparator. Then send the output to the led. The scheme apart from bungling I see that it is wrong, the cathode of the LED must go to ground, not to the load. Sorry for the mistake.

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Jorgeal
Jorgeal
399
hace 6 años

If it is only comparing on its own or not, I suggest that instead of an operational you use a comparator such as LM393. I also believe that in the circuit you should separate the power supply from the op without causing it to pass through the shunt.

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josesv650cccc
hace 6 años

Thanks again, Jorgeal. I study what you tell me to see if I can clarify myself.

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juite
juite
372
hace 6 años

The 393 is not comparable in terms of output since it is an open collector and the other is not, I will try to send you a circuit that you can use, but the calculations must be done by you.

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juite
juite
372
hace 6 años
hace 6 años
There goes the circuit, the R2 divider, R3 you must calculate it, I think you would not have problems if you know the drop in the resistor of 0.2 [ohm], remember that the 358 has an open circuit gain of the order of 100 [V/mV] and this is huge.
josesv650cccc
hace 6 años

Perfect Juite, just what I was looking for, I will put it into practice. Thank you very much for your help. Regards!

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