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Elite Ranser PB320 speakers

sam1963
sam1963
16
hace 5 años
hace 5 años
Good day. I have a couple of reference speakers from the 70s and they gave them to me in the early 80's. I don't know if they had the factory connections but I didn't take note of them when I took out the speakers to find them. This speaker is 4-way, 8 ohms and a power of 70W. The woofer is connected directly, I assume that to work as an extended range, knowing that its impedance increases progressively close to 1kHz. Then he has a medium low, a medium high and a cone tweeter that I changed to 3 piezo Leson. The question is generated in the media speakers, according to how they were connected: Medium low : 4 "with semi-rigid suspension, open hood, and an aluminum cap with absorbent material that gives room to the speaker and does not allow it to interact with the air produced by the woofer. Medium high : 6 "with closed hood and acoustic suspension. I found little info on the web about these speakers, but guided by other models of the brand and 4-way, the 6 "speaker is the medium low and the 4" the medium high, that is to say the reverse of how they were connected. This will be so, because if we look at the photos attached, the 6 "is closed bell and the magnet is small; the 4" is open bell and has a large magnet, it seems contradictory: -o. Well, I await your comments and / or suggestions. Greetings. [url=/ver-adjunto/aHR0cHM6Ly9jZG4yLnlvcmVwYXJvLmNvbS91cGxvYWRzL2RlZmF1bHQvMDAwMy82NC9CYWZsZXMtNjkyMDkuemlw] [img3/atng/bng/bng/bng/bng/bng/bng/bng/bng/bng/bng/bng
GABRIEL MUÑIZ
hace 5 años

Very true what our colleague PR122 says
By changing the mechanical elements of the loudspeaker such as the rigidity of the cone, the thickness of the suspension and its internal density (in the case of air suspension loudspeakers), you cause a change of mechanical impedance, modifying in turn the electric one; seeing this reflected in the change in frequency response. On the other hand, if you are concerned about the diameter of the speaker, that is mere speculation. I have seen high frequency speakers in 8 inches in diameter. Although the speaker resonant frequency depends on the diameter (at a lower

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GABRIEL MUÑIZ
hace 5 años

diameter, higher frequency), since you are operating at medium frequencies, there is not much difference.

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GABRIEL MUÑIZ
hace 5 años
hace 5 años
Sam Consider that in loudspeaker designs, the higher the frequency, they close the basket to avoid interference from the air moved by the low-frequency speaker (woofer). that is, your open unit is the medium-low, and the closed one is the medium high. On the other hand, the change you make to the tweeter, from a dynamic one to 3 piezo type; I consider it a mistake. The design of the crossover networks is based on the dynamic range of the speaker (s) in question, and their impedance. The impedance of a dynamic loudspeaker cannot be compared with that of 3 piezoelectric units still in parallel, it is still high impedance towards the crossover network, which does not favor adequate energy transfer (towards the tweeters) regards
sam1963
sam1963
16
hace 5 años

Hello Gabriel, it is true what you say regarding having or not a closed bell, the curious thing and from there the doubt, is that according to that characteristic, the 6 "speaker would work as medium-high and the 4" speaker as a medium -under, which seems an incongruity.
Regarding the tweeter, I changed it because it didn't have good performance. I placed 3 piezo leson of 8ohms in a series-parallel combination, to which I added a resistance of equal value so that the final impedance is 8ohms. These tweeters have an adapter coil inside to improve their sensitivity (108dB). Greetings.

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pr122
pr122
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hace 5 años
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Hello I agree with colleague Gabriel regarding the change of Tw piezo for the originals, although for some the TW Le are sound great, it goes a lot in tastes and personally I prefer the cardboard ones because of the naturalness of the sound, the piezo give you a very sound plastic and artificial, but now I really like this, as do the sub, which I hate, but I tell you ... it's just personal taste, the problem you pose is knowing if the middle of 6 is medium high or low, I think that this is a low medium, and that of 4 a medium high, that depends on how it was originally connected, what you can do is inject frequencies to each one through a low power amplifier without crossover and see how they respond, individually, The loudspeaker having a tonal compensator is correctable, however, when found, the original frequency response of each one is lost, because no cones, suspensions, coils, original wings are used but generic as these spare parts are not achieved today, greetings and good luck.
sam1963
sam1963
16
hace 5 años

Hi pr122, just the connection made me doubt. The magnet that has the 6 "is very small and the 4" is larger and heavier, which makes me doubt more.
I measured the impedance of both with a digital multimeter, and a sine generator and I could establish that the Fs of both speakers is: the 4 "in 300Hz and the 6" in 450Hz, which more doubt generates me.
Leson tweeters have an adapter coil inside that raises their sensitivity to 108dB and at the same time gives it an impedance, in this case 8ohms. They walk very well and I wanted to use them because I had stayed from those times.
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