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Radio Philips 09RB098 tunes with difficulty and interference

fernandortp
hace 5 años
hace 5 años
Hello to all YoReparo foreros. I have this transistorized Philips medium-wave 09RB098 Philips radio and it is difficult to tune in to the stations, emitting a loud noise at interference between the station and the station. Once one is tuned, the noise disappears and the sound is clear and loud. It works at 220 V AC and 9 V DC (6 batteries). It carries 6 transistors: 2SA341 (2, one of them acts as a converter); 2SB496; 2SD96 and 2 transistors that go on the power output and I can not see their name as they are attached to a kind of metal stage. Initially thinking that it could be the variable capacitor, I proceeded to desolder it and measure it with a capacimeter. For the antenna section it gave me a range of 23-170 picofarads and for the oscillating section 25-108 picofarads, in turn I verified with a tester that there is no continuity between the rotating plates, which make mass (chassis), and static plates of each section, so I rule out that this capacitor is responsible, but it is curious that these noises appear only when moving. I remember repairing a Philips radio model B1X18T to which I disconnected the S (Shield or Screen) leg that goes to ground of the transistor AF117 (converter) since internally it had been short-circuited with any of its 3 electrodes (base, emitter, collector), but I don't remember well if it produced interference or right there (mass) the signal was gone and nothing was heard from the speaker. I say this because the transistor 2SA341 also carries an S connection to ground. I thank you in advance for any help.
pr122
pr122
10.397
hace 5 años

Hi, what kind of noise? squeaks, whistle, discharge, hum? comment, regards

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fernandortp
hace 5 años

Hi, pr122, yes, they are loud squeaks, they appear when tuning in, once a station is tuned in, they disappear completely. Here in my city there are 3 AM radios and 3 I can tune them, although it costs to be tuned for those squeaks that get. Regards.

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fernandortp
hace 5 años

It is not a potentiometer problem, since once the station is tuned in, the fact of giving more or less volume does not generate any squeaking.

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fernandortp
hace 5 años

Another detail in the operation is that the stations are picked up again but at higher frequencies, for example 780 kHz, it is also possible to capture it at 1,100 kHz (approx.), 900 kHz also at 1,300 kHz (approx.).

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Nico4706
Nico4706
3.081
hace 5 años

The problem of repeated stations has to do with the image frequency, that is, the station is repeated at a frequency equal to twice the IF. If the FI is 150 KHZ, a station will be tuned again to 300 KHZ. If the FI is 200 KHZ, the station will listen again at 400 KHZ. The problem is that a station is separated at 300 KHZ, and another at 400 KHZ, so the problem of the FI is ruled out, and that it is a problem of the local oscillator, as I commented in the other post. Nothing to do with the harmonics that pr122 comments.

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Nico4706
Nico4706
3.081
hace 5 años

To give an example, a station tuned to 550 KHZ, if the IF is 465 KHZ as in Argentina, the same station would be tuned again at a frequency 930 KHZ higher, that is to 1480 KHZ. Frequencies higher than 670 KHZ, the image frequency would be outside the dial.

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Nico4706
Nico4706
3.081
hace 5 años

The image frequency was a problem for very old radios, with IF of 125 KHZ or 175 KHZ, so the frequency of the IF was raised to a value of 465 KHZ. Currently, the image frequency is present in shortwave only.

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fernandortp
hace 5 años

Thank you very much Nico4706 for your conceptual explanations of what an image frequency is. And so I referred then to review in detail the variable capacitor. I checked some discontinuity at the point where the tip of the shaft makes contact with the capacitor body. At that point there is a tiny copper neck that helps better contact between these 2 parts. It was covered on both sides of a waxy patina. I sanded it on both sides with a fine sandpaper.

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fernandortp
hace 5 años

I imagine this was the problem, since the interference and tuning mirrors immediately disappeared. I reiterate my thanks to pr122 and Nico4706 who had the patience to answer my question. And according to how my tests go, I would like to raise the case of another radio of the same model that working well one day, the next nothing comes out. A dilemma for me. Regards.

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pr122
pr122
10.397
hace 5 años
hace 5 años
hello, it seems to be harmonic problems, check the local converter osc, you can start by changing the capacitors of the stage, some IF stage could also be misadjusted but instruments are needed to adjust everything, greetings
fernandortp
hace 5 años

A doubt; Do the transistors have to be tested off the plate?

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pr122
pr122
10.397
hace 5 años

hello, every component to test must be disconnected at least one leg in capacitor diodes and resistors, and 2 legs in transistors, this is to avoid, that there may be erroneous measurements to be another components welded between legs, the capacitors, should be changed if there is doubts, and if you do not have a capacimeter, to put in frequency the coils you need more elaborate instruments, greetings

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fernandortp
hace 5 años

Thank you, pr122. I tried to see what happened when desoldering the S (Shield) leg of transistor 2SA341 and no major change was perceived, so I am inclined to think that it is the complete transistor that no longer works well, so I will test it desoldered and eventually replace it with one of a radio that works well, although that would be like undressing a saint to dress another. Then it would help me to know what replacement of this transistor exists these days. As an additional fact (although I don't know if I contribute anything significant), I injected an IF signal through the antenna and it was clear.

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fernandortp
hace 5 años

in the speaker the beep. Regards.

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