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Water Heaters (Calefones)

14-liter Saiar S7 water heater without pilot flame

Gpzmac
Gpzmac
12
hace 5 años
hace 5 años
Hi. I bought it new. The gas pipe is 3/4 with reduction to 1/2, all new including stopcocks. The water pipes are also 3/4 with reduction to 1/2 and the stopcocks are also new. As there was little pressure I put a new 600-liter water tank. The gas pipe enters the kitchen and water heater. The water bath and kitchen, each of 1.50mts x 2.mts approx. So there is not much turning or much artifact. The heater turns on 10, heats the water. The problem arises today when trying all the faucets. The water heater does not turn on when you open the hot tap of the shower and that of the kitchen either, the rest (patio sink, bathroom vanity, bidet) yes. Can this be true? Do I have to think that they connected those pipes by mistake to the cold water line? Thank you all.
david-78
hace 5 años

The water heater needs a minimum flow for the flowmeter to detect and turn it on. I think it is 4 liters per minute. I do not remember, but you can look at the manual, and then check on the faucets that you have problems to
See if they meet this condition. Some come with a restriction inside that causes less water flow, and can cause the heater not to turn on.
Also, why do you have a 1/2 reduction in water intake? Is not the 3/4 "the entrance of the water heater?

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Gpzmac
Gpzmac
12
hace 5 años

Hi. The pipe is all 3/4. But when it is derived to an artifact, it is reduced to 1/2 to just increase the pressure. I have the problem in the kitchen. And curiously, the monocommand of the bathroom turns on the water heater when the bathtub option is chosen, let's say but it does not turn on when switching to the shower.

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david-78
hace 5 años
hace 5 años
Well, reducing to 1/2 "to increase the pressure is a mistake. What you are doing is reducing the flow rate, and the heater turns on by flow, not pressure. Did you test to see the water flow in the different faucets in a minute?
Gpzmac
Gpzmac
12
hace 5 años

Hi. I just tried, it gave me 4.4l / min one that doesn't work. 5l / m one that turns on. The reduction was asking and at least three made that observation. What are you going to do.

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david-78
hace 5 años

Good. Try eliminating that reduction. You don't need it, and it hurts you. That should raise the flow somewhat in general. Maybe that is enough to turn on the water heater.
If that is not enough, check the faucets.
I had a heater of those (an S6) and I had to remove a restriction that had a kitchen monocommand to turn on.
Obviously we are taking it for granted that you have no obstruction in any part of the pipe, filter entering the water heater, etc.

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david-78
hace 5 años

I add that there I found the specifications of your water heater, and the minimum starting flow is 4.3 l / min, too close to what you measured.
Do what I told you above and try.

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el magiber argentino
hace 5 años
hace 5 años
According to what you say your water heater is 14 liters that is per minute, what you have to do is disconnect the water outlet of the water heater, bone hot water, either flexible or a pipe, there you put a bucket to not flood, then you open a cannon and you control that for a minute 14ls has to go through your water heater, if it passes less than what your water heater indicates, it will not open the diaphragm, according to what you say in a minute it passes 4.3ls totally low, more than 10ls are missing, this It is because the tank that you put safe is very close to the shower flower, the minimum plumbing loads have to be a water tank at a minimum of 2.50 meters from the flower of the shower to the base of the water tank , look at how high your water tank is from the highest and the tallest appliance is as I told you the shower flower, if there are less than 2.50 meters you will have little pressure and the diaphragm will never open and nothing happens what did you do from 3/4 "to 1/2" to connect to the sockets s of the heater because the heater is already coming for 1/2 "that does not affect you at all
Gpzmac
Gpzmac
12
hace 5 años

Thank you all. At this time I can answer that the shower flower is 2 meters from the floor and the tank is 5 meters from the floor.
The shower faucet is this:
https://articulo.mercadolibre.com.ar/MLA-614673440-griferia-ducha-piazza-village-cruz-exterior-embutir-embutida-_JM
The strange thing is that the water heater works by opening the one that fills the bathtub and not in the shower.

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el magiber argentino
hace 5 años

I do not understand you, the important thing is that the flower of the shower to the base of the tank must have a minimum of 2.50 meters, not from the floor but from the flower of the shower

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el magiber argentino
hace 5 años

Turn on the water heater with the shower head because it is down, here what commands the flower of the shower, do not be guided by another tap, just, I repeat from the shower flower to the base of the tank there must be at least 2,50mts

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Calemdq
Calemdq
23.097
hace 5 años
hace 5 años
Hi The water heater has a flow regulation tap, try to open it a little so that it allows more water to pass through. On the other hand, the minimum pressure to work correctly is 0.7 bar, which is equivalent to a tank height of 7 meters above the highest bobbin, that is, in your case 9 meters should be the tank. Regards !
Gpzmac
Gpzmac
12
hace 5 años

My brother-in-law arrived and told me "change the flexible ones. The meshes have a fine pitch compared to the flexible copper classics. I went to easy, they shaved the ogt but at first glance I verified that I was right. Change the one that comes out of the hot water heater and the kitchen bacha began to work. Replace the entrance to the tank heater and the hot water tank of the vanitory. Now turn on but not always.
Do not solve 100x100 but it seems a good fact for others. I have to change the lowering of the tank, make it 1 1/2 and reduce in the heater. Raising the tank is not viable.

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Calemdq
Calemdq
23.097
hace 5 años

I am from the old plumbing school, and if I had to install a zero water heater I do it with double joints, but today it goes easily, the flexible meshes are not used to connect a water heater since the internal sleeve is rubber, with the heat that radiates the artifact they are made ball immediately; you can put flexible 3/4 "copper and a reduction bushing in the connection

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Gpzmac
Gpzmac
12
hace 5 años
hace 5 años
I will have to put an electric pump.
Ricardo Omar Alonso
hace 5 años
hace 5 años
I have a s7 10 months ago, it worked perfect until a couple of weeks ago, now it turns on and off, I already did everything call even a technician and all he did was take me out $ 200. They could be the solenoid valves but there are no spare parts, I don't know anymore what to do, if anyone knows where to get spare parts I would appreciate it let me know
Calemdq
Calemdq
23.097
hace 5 años

I do not know what city you are from, but in my city they are available at home of sanitary and gas parts, but by ML you can access businesses that send them by order

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Ricardo Omar Alonso
hace 5 años

Hi, I'm from Caba Argentina, if you know anyone or maybe you have it repaired?

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